Ep.57- Highly Sensitive People and Relationships

In this episode of Master Your Bliss Life, Kiera and Lia discuss the importance of relationship counseling and identifying if you or your partner are highly sensitive or a stimulation seeker (or a combination of both). If you're a highly sensitive person, you might already know what that means, but for those who don't, HSPs have a more sensitive nervous system than others. You can be more attuned to subtle changes in your environment, both positive and negative. All this input of data from sounds, smells, lights, and even the energy from those around you quickly leads to overstimulation and overwhelm.

Listen in to learn some tools you can use to calm an overactive, overwhelmed, and overstimulated mind. Remember, your mental health and the health of your relationships are connected and tied together. So, discover your perfect cocktail of mindfulness to bring back your peace today.

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Lia

I’m so sensitive.

Kiera

High sensitive people.

Lia

Sensitive people. I remember when I was married to my first husband, he was very abusive, that part of the gaslighting was, “You’re so sensitive. You’re so sensitive. You’re so sensitive.” What are you laughing at?

Kiera

I just got a text. It’s fine. So.

Lia

We’re doing some on-the-side recon.

Kiera

Good old Hale-sis.

Lia

Good old Haley. Love you, thank you, appreciate you. Your work is important and impactful. Anyway, when I was… 

Kiera

Sorry.

Lia

Haley wants to know if I am switching teams to start dating women. And, frankly, this is…

Kiera

We’ve all thought about it.

Lia

We’ve all thought about it. Because…

Kiera

Let’s be honest.

Lia

Does anyone choose… sexual orientation is not a choice, because I would not choose smelly, gross men.

Kiera

No.

Lia

Nooo. My friend, Meg, so one of my coworkers the other day was like, “Lia, I’ve been watching your Instagram. You have been doing some side questing. You are like…” Cuz like performing in a art meets fashion fusion like performance. I will be doing some traditional sword belly dancing. Which, I’m not a dancer. But, it’s so much about showmanship and not about the steps or the whatever. That my friend asked me to do it and she was like, “I know one that you’re comfortable being in a tiny outfit and onstage, and I know that you are comfortable with a sword, and frankly we wanted somebody who looks like they’re strong enough who would actually be someone who would wield a sword.”

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

And so I was like, Oh say less. Flattering. But, no, I’m not trying to date women. Not right now.

Kiera

She hasn’t gotten that far yet.

Lia

No, but I am doing other side quests. So that’s fine. But Meg was like, “God, if you were a dude, I would date you so hard.” Like, same girl. But I wouldn’t date you, cuz that’s not my preference. But that sucks, oh well. Anyway.

Kiera

Anyways.

Lia

Back to the original topic.

Kiera

Yes.

Lia

Being too sensitive.

Kiera

Being too sensitive.

Lia

Being too sensitive. When I was married to my first husband, part of the gaslighting was that he’d be like, “You're so sensitive, you’re so sensitive.” Which is just a way to like discount my feelings, where it’s like, “No I’m not sensitive, I’m just not going to respond well to someone being mean to me, cuz that’s not cool.” So, but I think that being sensitive isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Kiera

No, so I’ve been, um, I went to this, I think we’ve talked about it before, I’ve been going to a relationship councelor and we’ve been learning a lot of things about ourselves. And how to tie that into the relationship with us being our own person, right? Completely different. Polar opposites.

Lia

I think that’s so smart.

Kiera

Yes.

Lia

With blended families, with coming together and living together, it’s like self care. It’s like prework.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

You don’t go to the gym, you go to the gym for maintenance, not when it’s to the point that you, you know, are pre diabetic.

Kiera

Yeah. Yep, so it’s, I think it’s really important. A lot of people look down on, like, oh they must be having some really bad problems. But I don’t look at relationship counceling as like a really bad negative thing. It doesn’t have to be in a really bad place. If you can go just to get a better understanding of each other, and how to make things work better together.

Lia

Yeah. Maintenance. Like the gym.

Kiera

So, just finding out more about ourselves. Our last appointment that we had, you know, I was just talking about a few things and he stopped me and he’s like, “Kiera, are you a high sensitive person?” And I was like, it just stopped me I’m like, “Well, I’ve been told that I’m sensitive.” And I feel that, yeah I’m a little sensitive when it comes to certain things, right? And so he started asking me all of these questions, he’s like, “Are you kind of sensitive to certain smells, certain sounds, certain like, do you get overwhelmed easily, do you feel like you get overstimulated easy to where you just shut down? Like just completely shut down.” And he’s like, and he went and turned off all the lights, and he’s like, “What does this do for you?” And I was like, “Fucking calms the shit out of me.” You know? Like, we just went silent. And he’s like…

Lia

It’s like whoosha.

Kiera

Yeah, and he’s like, “What can you hear?” And I was like, kinda sat there for a second and I’m like, “A clock ticking on the wall, a conversation down the hall, the cars driving by.” Like all these little noises, right? And he’s like, “Have we not talked about this before?” And I was like, No. And he’s like, “Oh, we talked about this the last time, normally is when I talk about this.” And he’s like, “We’re going to dive into this today.” And he’s like, “Cuz this is a huge thing to figure out with the two of you.” So, he said that high sensitive people actually only make up 20% of the population. In all of the animal kingdom.

Lia

Wow.

Kiera

20%. And back in the olden days, they were looking at these people that were the high sensitive people, they were thought of as like the early warning systems for the rest of the population, right?

Lia

Oh, ok, tribe.

Kiera

Yeah. The early warning systems. And he said it’s scientifically proven that they, high sensitive, take in, I think it was 80% more data than anybody else.

Lia

Oh, interesting.

Kiera

Whether it’s sounds, like, hearing things, seeing things. Like they just take in more data that can easily make them more overstimulated. But because they take in more data, they’re able to notice things coming sooner than others would.

Lia

Right, it’s like pattern recognition.

Kiera

Which is why they were the early detection system, the early warning system for like the tribe. Something’s coming. Like, this… And pick up on more. But it’s also easy for them to become overstimulated and overwhelmed and like you have to learn how to kind of pull yourself back out of that, take your time, meditate, you know, have some time to yourself. He told me, you know I think throughout the day, cuz I went from me, one dog, and my son to three dogs, and three children, and a partner, and like a big house that I wasn’t used to. And it’s just like, and he was asking even about, “Do you have carpet on the main floor or is it hard flooring?” And I was like, hard. And so it’s like, even the little things of the dogs nails on the floor, little things like that. Just all those things coming in are like <sound effects> just taking you way above your limit.

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

Throughout the day. And he’s like, you know he told me, he’s like, “You know, it’s normal for high sensitives to get overstimulated.” And he’s like, you know, he told me, “Throughout the day I recommend putting in one of your airpods, putting it on noise cancelation, so only one of your ears is taking in. Whether your listening to anything or not. Only one of your ears is taking in everything else around you.”

Lia

Right.

Kiera

And so, it kind of like balances…

Lia

Muffler.

Kiera

Yeah. It’s a muffler. And so, I’ve been doing that lately and it’s helped a lot. But he was telling my boyfriend, he’s like, “By the end of the day, every single day, especially when she has all the kids, like, you gotta come home, you gotta be like…” Cuz he, we found out, is a high sensation seeker.

Lia

Wow.

Kiera

And so he’s always needing stimulation. Like, in one way, shape, or form.

Lia

That’s a, that’s a rough combo.

Kiera

And so he gets home and he’ll get on his phone, thinking that he’s like, his down time to just unwind from work, getting on his phone and kind of scrolling through some reels for a little bit, is like his…

Lia

Down? But it’s an up.

Kiera

Down time? But in reality it’s not, it’s a stimulation.

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

So he’s like, “You need to come home, you need to be like let me take the kids off your hands for 30 minutes, you go do whatever you want.” He’s like, “Because every time, when you come home, she might be ready to stick a ladle down a kid’s throat.”

Lia

Yes.

Kiera

He was like, “She can’t.”...

Lia

You should start doing like a 30 minute bath routine. Like, you take the kids, shut the door.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

I get 30 minutes in the bath. Cuz then you can like really, cuz I think water really helps with that.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Like, in water, right? You can like just whoosha right down.

Kiera

Yeah, that would be nice. We don’t have a big bath in…

Lia

You don’t?

Kiera

No. I mean, we have a semi-ok one in the kid’s bath but.

Lia

Oh, not like a soaking tub.

Kiera

And, yeah, and I don’t wanna go fucking deep-clean that shit before I get in. Right before, cuz how is that going to calm me down?

Lia

Kids. Like, I gotta to go clean the bathroom every night.

Kiera

Yeah. So, I’m just, you know, he’s like, “What you need to do is go get your stimulation from the kids, while she unwinds. And then it’s going to help take her from an eight, nine, or ten, and bring her back down to a three. Where she can actually enjoy the rest of the evening with everybody.”

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

And I was like, it was really cool because that appointment, as he was talking about everything, he had me read a book, and it’s called The Highly Sensitive Person in Love. There is a book called The Highly Sensitive person, and then they have one The Highly Sensitive Person in Love that kind of dives down deep into the different, you know, the high sensation seekers, and high sensitive people, and like how you can, it breaks down the different relationships of every which way you can go with the two.

Lia

Sure.

Kiera

Because you can also…

Lia

Two stimulus seekers, two overstimulators, other combos.

Kiera

Yeah, but you can also be a high sensitive person but also be a stimulation seeker. Like, you can be… yeah, I’d say that is you.

Lia

That’s me. That’s me.

Kiera

And I asked him, I was like, “Can this be, could I have been more of a sensation seeker and it kind of dwindled away?” I said, “Because I feel like I was more, before I had my child.”

Lia

Yeah, for sure.

Kiera

And then I had my child, and then all of a sudden I just became way more sensitive to everything and I haven’t been as adventurous or, you know. And…

Lia

Or you just are now not getting as much down time. Right?

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Because when we were at the bar, high stim, obviously.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Music, pumping, lights, strobes.

Kiera

And I loved it.

Lia

Loved it. We were killing it.

Kiera

I thrived off of it.

Lia

But, we got to go home and have a lot of alone down time.

Kiera

Down time. But, that I don’t get anymore.

Lia

Yes.

Kiera

It’s just constant, constand kids, constant dogs, constant like, just everything and it’s keeping me so highly stimulated.

Lia

Yeah, you don’t have balance.

Kiera

And he’s like, “I recommend every single day, about midway through the day, messaging her and saying Hey babe, where are you at? And if she’s at an eight or above, you cancel the rest of the day and you go home.”

Lia

Damn.

Kiera

You go home and you help her. Like, she needs, he’s like, “If there’s one way that, like, you want this relationship to continue being good, and growing, and being healthy, you’ve got to learn…” He’s like, “You’re going to have to do more for her than she’s going to do for you. That’s just how it is.” And he said it’s genetically ingrained into all of us. Like, there’s nothing we can do to change it. And so, it was kind of cool that he was talking about some of the people in the past that were a high sensitive, and how we need more high sensitives. And like, the government. Cuz they used to be a lot of high sensitives in the government. It’s changed. It’s more high sensation seekers, so.

Lia

Yes, I’ve been writing articles about all of that, but we won’t get into that, but.

Kiera

Yeah, no. But like, they went into so many things. And like into the past of, I mean, in tribes.

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

And the people in the tribes that were the high sensation… or, high sensitives. And they were usually…

Lia

Well, yeah, and how does that relate to like? Because I have such a huge issue with the overuse, the blatant and disrespectful overuse of the terms empath and narcissist. Everybody shut up about that. Because that, because being a high sensitive, I’m sure would or could be misconstrued as an empath.

Kiera

Well, he did say that. He did say that you are more, being a high sensitive, you are more in tune with sounds, smells, the energies of other people. Like, taking on feelings of other people. Like, empathic abilities and things like that. So.

Lia

Right, but.

Kiera

But that’s only like 20% of the population

Lia

Yeah, and all these people talking about it.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

And, there’s not that many narcissists. I have people in my family who have been clinically diagnosed as having narcissistic personality disorder. Like, every single person in the world has narcissistic tendencies. If we are only defining narcissism as like looking out for number one…

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Damn straight I’m looking out for number one.

Kiera

Yeah, as we should.

Lia

As we should.

Kiera

It shouldn’t be looked at as selfish.

Lia

No, but there’s a big difference between someone who is maybe self-centered, or someone who maybe struggles to be able to anticipate the needs of others, but I don’t think that makes someone a narcissist.

Kiera

No.

Lia

Just because someone is sensitive to things, or they get their feeling hurt easily, or they can tell if someone’s feeling sad, like that doesn’t make you an empath. I do not consider myself an empath even though I would be under this diagnosis, be considered like a sensitive, but also…

Kiera

Sensation seeker.

Lia

…sensation seeker. Because I have the opportunity to balance both in my life. I spend a lot of time alone. Down time. But then I also want to go out, but then once I’m overwhelmed it’s done.

Kiera

Yep. You are able to find that balance.

Lia

Yes, and I have built that. And I knew I needed to build that into my lifestyle. Which is why I pursued the careers that I’ve pursued. But I had, so speaking of this, speaking of sensitivity in relationships, so I had one of my not boyfriends over the other day. And I was really excited to see him. So he came over, and I was like, “Oh my God, Hey!” Right? I’m high energy, I’m excited, I’m happy to see you. I’m like, “Oh my God look at this! Oh my God look at that!” Like, “Look at my costume that I’m going to be wearing for my little belly dancer thing! Like, Oh my God!”

Kiera

And he’s like Whoa calm down.

Lia

Yeah, but, there is such a, cuz he, and I could have, and as things move on, right? Cuz we learn and evolve. Like, I will probably be able to anticipate this better, but he had told me that he had had a really tough conversation with someone just previous. Like a couple hours previous. And so, what was so interesting, because him and I have such great communication. And the biggest thing is removing the ego.

Kiera

Oh, yeah.

Lia

And so he just looked at me and was like, “I gotta ask you a favor.” He said, “Can we take the energy level way down?” He’s like, “I’m not there.” He’s like, “You’re on a level. I’m not going to be able to get there right now. I’m going to feel a little overstimulated if you keep going at this level. Can you, can we just bring it down for a bit? And then give me a chance to ramp up to that level and I’ll meet you there.” And I could have taken that in my ego to be like, Oh my God, he’s not excited for me. He…

Kiera

What a dick.

Lia

He’s not excited to be here. I’m excited to see him, why’s he not excited to see me?

Kiera

Yeah, you could have taken it personally.

Lia

I could have taken it way personally. But, he presented it in such a way that was like, it wasn’t just, “I need you to calm down. You’re being too much right now.”

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

You’re being too much right now. Which, yeah, could technically translate to, “Hey I’m not at the level, can we bring it down until I feel like I can ramp up to that level and meet you there.” But, you’re being too much right now is not a beneficial comment to make in that scenario.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

And so, out of respect, out of just like understanding, I was like, “Ok, I gotchu.” And I just brought my energy way down, and we just chilled for about 30 minutes. And then went and did some fun things. And by the end, by the end of the night, he was like way high energy. Him and Marshall were like whooping and hollering. Like, literally, like yelling and jumping around and dancing. And I was like, Oh my God, I’m overstimulated. I can’t do you guys right now.

Kiera

He just needed his time. He needed his just…

Lia

Right. Right, and we weren’t in sync, necessarily, because, right? I was really high and then went low, like declined throughout the day. And he started low and inclined throughout the day. And so, yeah, for a while we were on the level, but then it became mismatched again. And it’s not, he wasn’t upset with me for being low energy. Or being overwhelmed. He just was like, “I love watching you move through these feelings, because it lets me know so much about you.” I’m like, yeah, this is all learning. It’s all learning. But.

Kiera

Which is so awesome and so important. It comes to just a level of understanding and not taking things personal. Not getting defensive.

Lia

Right. And that’s where, like, being a sensitive person, that’s kind of the other definition. Right? Like, to be sensitive to stimulation? Yeah, that’s a thing.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But to be, but to take everything personally. Sensitive.

Kiera

Yeah. It’s a whole different thing.

Lia

Why did you do that? Why do you hate me? Why dadada.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

That’s a situation that I have been inadvertantly dealing with.

Kiera

Yeah, and that’s exactly what I was saying like when he asked me, “Are you high sensitive?” I was like, well, I mean, I’m sensitive to some things, but what are you talking about? Like, I’m not like, if somebody says something to me, I’m not like “poor me, oh my gosh I’m so picked on.”

Lia

Yes.

Kiera

Like, wah wah wah.

Lia

We would not be friends.

Kiera

No. No, not at all. Not at all. Like, those are things that I’m not sensitive to.

Lia

Right.

Kiera

I mean, occasionally, depending on how, like if it’s really fucked up or bad, then maybe I am, but anything else...

Lia

Yeah, if someone is blatantly disrespectful to you, you’re going to have some talks.

Kiera

But yeah, then yeah. If somebody just says something and I’m just like, Ok, just take it with a grain of salt and be like, whatever. It’s, you opinion does not…

Lia

Right, maybe they were talking about you, maybe they weren’t. Maybe it applies to me, maybe it doesn’t. Also, none of my business.

Kiera

Yep.

Lia

And so…

Kiera

Yep, so but it’s like, when he, I was like, well not those things, but like, yeah sounds. Like sounds throughout the day. I mean, some mornings, I would just get up out of bed, getting my son ready, trying to get the girls ready for school, and just all the chaos in the morning. I mean some mornings like I’m already at an eight by 8 AM.

Lia

Yes.

Kiera

You know, I’m like, Holy shit! Like, what? Whoo. I’ve got to calm myself down. Then I get all the kids off to school and I come back home and I’m like… actually it’s my drive home by myself that I’m like. I literally don’t even turn music on. I don’t turn anything on.

Lia

No.

Kiera

And I’ll just be like, silence. Just the sound of the road. The wind flying past my car. The sounds of the cars driving by me. Like, that’s it. It just sucks me back down.

Lia

And I think that’s a part of like mindfulness practice that maybe isn’t looked at from that angle. Like, mindfulness really is just like stopping, not being IN the sensation, but being aware of the sensation.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Right? Like, Ok. Right? I feel my feet on the ground. That’s a sensation. But I’m consciously focusing to help ground you into one particular thing. Instead of just letting all of them come rampant into your space.

Kiera

And not taking that time to just take yourself back down. And that’s one of those things I’ve known for a long time that’s something I’ve needed to do. I just didn’t make it a priority. And now, I know that I need to make it a priority.

Lia

Yeah, I think that’s incredible growth.

Kiera

And I have been. Yeah.

Lia

And everybody, like, to know, because… so I was hanging out with a different boyfriend, and he was telling me about how he hates meditation. And I was like, you hate meditation? He’s like, “Yeah, I loathe meditation.” He did a challenge where part of it was he had to do like three minutes, and then five minutes, and then all the way up to 30 minutes a day. And he was like, “I hated it. I hated it so much.” I’m like, Well, but what kind did you try? And so, we kind of talked about different meditation practices, like different methods. And I pulled up my Headspace app and had him listen to the sleep cast meditations. Which they take you through a really quick breathing exercise, and it’s just like a story, and it’s a lot about visualization. I’m like, I know that you are a visual person. I said, just listen to this. And I let it play for 10 minutes, and he closed his eyes. And I could see emotion passing over his face as he was in this meditation. And I was just sitting there watching him, like a creep. Creep. But, I stopped him at 10 minutes and was like, Babe, that was 10 minutes. And he was like, No it wasn’t. I’m like, Yeah. I’m like, You could barely get through five minutes of another meditation, like with deep loathing in your heart, here’s a 45 minute meditation that you can do that’s going to… and I just saw, like, his shoulders relax, and his face relax, and his posture, and everything. He just got so deep into it, into his own mind, that I was like, Oh, this is it for you.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But identifying those very specific things. Because, right? Doing, just doing breathwork. Not great. Not great. I’ve actually been doing a lot of research about some of these breathwork classes, and how dangerous and ill-informed the practitioners are.

Kiera

Oh, really?

Lia

Yeah. Yeah, as I’ve been working with some shamans, and deep healing therapists, and plant medicine, which is some people. It’s been like, that’s been the one thing that’s been coming back is some of these… it’s like the two-week shaman certification classes you can take online. Like that’s bullshit.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But also like just the overall effects of certain types of breathwork can be as impactful to your internal chemistry and overall physiology as doing psychedelics. And a lot of these people move you through these breathwork courses, but don’t know how to integrate you in and integrate you out, and do all of the consent before and after. So, there’s a ton of… anyway. That’s a whole tangent.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

We’ll do a whole podcast about it. Yeah.

Kiera

Because I love breathwork, and it has helped me quite a bit. But…

Lia

Yeah. Yeah, all the breathwork classes I’ve been to have been awesome, but one of the biggest things that I’ve told you about is that there was zero integration afterwards. Luckily, I have been doing this so long, I have been doing the deep work for so long. I started, God, twelve years ago. And my ability to self-integrate, like that’s a muscle that I have worked on for years, and years, and years, and years. And the only people that I see on that level are like people who’ve been through that many years of therapy, or have done the work that long. But, to take somebody who’s new to spirituality, or self-work, and to move them through breathwork, and then not do an integration. Like, now looking at it through that perspective, with a bunch of other modalities, I’m like, Oh, that’s like kinda dangerous.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But, I think it’s great. I think if you find a good person, like it’s, the actual modality of breathwork is so impactful.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But, it’s the same thing as like personal trainers who aren’t really actually smart or know how to keep you from injuring yourself.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Or contest prep coaches that are like, Ok you’ve been eating 2200 calories, um, now I need you to run a mile a day and drop down to 1300, chicken and broccoli only.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

Like, you’re going to kill somebody.

Kiera

Been there.

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

Been there.

Lia

You’re going to kill somebody.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

You can’t do that. So, I digress. But, sensitivity. It’s good to be sensitive. It’s good for the population. It’s good for yourself, but knowing the tools that you specifically need. For me, being a sensitive but also a high… what’s the word?

Kiera

Sensation seeking.

Lia

Sensation seeker. I need to balance both of those things. Like, I know that if I get bored, it’s dangerous.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

But, I also can’t be overstimulated or else I’m going to just shut down.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

And for you, like a couple times a day, mindfulness or meditation, like.

Kiera

It’s definitely something that I’ve been working on and doing so much better about. And I’ll tell you what, that one headphone in my ear with the noise cancelation on, it is like so much better. In the last week and a half, since that appointment, and I’ve been doing it every single day, I have not gotten to the level so consistently of overstimulation as I did before.

Lia

Of overwhelm.

Kiera

So, I’m like, Oh this is, this is great. This is awesome. This is, and I’m also taking time for myself now. And we’re working together on it, too. Where he comes home and he’s like, “Where are you at?”

Lia

Oh my God, I love that.

Kiera

I’m like, tagging you in.

Lia

Let’s go baby.

Kiera

There you go. I’ll be back in 30.

Lia

I love that. Amazing. Well, I feel like I learned a lot. I feel like this has been super good. Like, good self reflection.

Kiera

I was going to say, too, at the appointment, when he was asking me all of these things, it was pretty incredible because I started crying. Cuz him saying all these things, and he’s like, “I’m a high sensitive, too.” And he’s saying all these things and telling me all these things that he knows about it, and I have never felt so seen.

Lia

Ah, love.

Kiera

Understood. And he was like, “You know, a lot of the time you think you’re crazy. You think you’re crazy.”

Lia

Right. You’re being validated.

Kiera

And I’m like, Yes, I do! I’m like, There’s something wrong with me. And he’s like, “It’s, nothing’s wrong with you. Nothing’s wrong with you. You just to take that time to bring yourself back down to a level that you’re able to handle things.” But, I have never felt so seen or understood in my life. Like, I just started crying.

Lia

Therapy. Therapy. 

Kiera

I was like, Thank you. Like, thank you, thank you, thank you. And it, even though I kind of knew this about me, it also…

Lia

To have someone else validate you, that’s so important.

Kiera

… someone else validate that, and tell me like, You’re not crazy. This is normal. Like, for 20% of the population. Here’s the tools that you need to do to handle it.

Lia

Yes! Therapy.

Kiera

Yeah, it was great. It was great.

Lia

Oh, my God. See, and that like, he’s a relationship coach, but you were given tools to manage, like, it’s all tied together. It’s not like your mental health and your relationship health are separate.

Kiera

No.

Lia

Of course not. That’s ludicrous.

Kiera

It’s all, it’s all tied in together.

Lia

We’re all in this together. Alright, shameless plug, I’m going to tie this in. Shameless plug for Lunar Herbals.

Kiera

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Lia

Because they now sponsor the podcast. The Elixir of Rest.

Kiera

Mm, yeah, we need to add that to the podcast, yep.

Lia

Well, just, I mean, as we’re looking at tools to help bring you down after an overstimulated day, to the Elixir of Bliss in the morning. Love that for me. But, I mix it in with my protein shakes even.

Kiera

Yeah, I saw your post about that.

Lia

Yeah, it’s so good. It’s like iced coffee protein, but then with the Elixir of Bliss it kind of has like a chai feeling to it. But, just like, the medicine is in the food. The medicine is in the food.

Kiera

Yep.

Lia

All we have to do is tap back into all of that sacred knowing.

Kiera

Yeah.

Lia

And that’s why I love Lunar Herbals so much. If you go to Lunar Herbals, you can either use Kiera10 or Lia10 for $10 off your first order. Go check them out. We love it so much. Plug, plug, plug, plug, plug.

Kiera

It’s so delicious. I actually mix it, they have a mushroom mocha.

Lia

Yes.

Kiera

But, I have the Elixir of Bliss and I have the Mushroom Mocha, and I have this other like coffee alternative that I actually mix them all together, because it has different mushrooms in it than what the other one has.

Lia

Yes. I have that, too.

Kiera

And so I mix them all together, and it is like the most fantastic thing. And I have not had coffee in like, I think a week and a half now?

Lia

Wow.

Kiera

And I don’t have the jitters from the caffeine, from the coffee. I don’t have like the crash. I just have a good consistent like…

Lia

A vibe.

Kiera

Energy. But, calmness. And maybe also Lunar Herbals, thank you so much, is tied into my last week and a half of working on myself and my meditation, and calming myself down. I wouldn’t doubt that has a lot to do with it as well. But, Lunar Herbals.

Lia

Yeah.

Kiera

It’s yeah, amazing.

Lia

Alright, you heard it here first. You’ll hear it here last. Take care of yourself.

Kiera

Yes.

Lia

And yeah, that’s all we got today. K, love you so much, see ya next time.

Kiera

Bye.

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